Podcast—Playing With Fire: in Conversation with Virgil Ortiz

On this episode, Kathleen Ash-Milby and John P. Lukavic are joined by multi-hyphenate Native artist, Virgil Ortiz. With his work in subversive clay sculptures, futuristic fashion design, and a years-long science-fiction film & museum exhibition project about the 1680 Pueblo Revolt, Virgil Ortiz is breaking boundaries and using his platform to educate and inspire awe.

This episode is part of a series brought to you by FRAME, the French American Museum Exchange, of which both the Portland and Denver Art Museums are proud members. FRAME has a rich history of connecting museums in its network through exhibitions and education programs for over 20 years. FRAME provided grant funding for a series of podcast episodes and we are thrilled to be able to tell these stories with FRAME’s assistance.

Featured in this episode:

Kathleen Ash-Milby – Curator of Native American Art, Portland Art Museum
John P. Lukavic – Andrew W. Mellon Curator of Native Arts, Denver Art Museum

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